desh | email

You should use "Mail.app". ;-)

Actually, you should probably go with Thunderbird, even though they don't have a "Received Mail" option yet. I mean, if that's your only gripe, you're grasping at straws here. Just suck it up!

--Jeff

Much as I hate to agree with this pufta, if one minor bug is your only gripe, I would just go with thunderbird. It will get fixed... or you could set a filter to move all read mail to a subfolder, and then you'll have all your unread in inbox, and all read mail in a subfolder.

Also, Outlook express is horrible. Don't use it. Ever. In fact, make sure your account info isn't entered. Just in case it starts for whatever reason.

If you get office 2k3, I rather like outlook 2003. It's good. Also, I second what someone said below. Gmail rocks. Use it. Love it.

How would that subfolder thing help? I just want to be able to read my mail in the order it came, be able to look it up later based on the day it arrived...

I'm probably going with OE. It was all I used on my old computer, and I like it. What specifically do you dislike about it? I can work around the security problems...

You know they have another category called "order received." I don't like it, but it seems like you might. At least for new mail.

According to the bugs (and to what I remember), "order recieved" is really "order moved to this folder", which is essentially useless. For example, if you bulk move a lot of messages to a new folder (which I do for archiving), they get randomly reordered. Though you're right, it does address part of the problem, sort of.

I still don't know why it's such a big deal. 99% of the time, DATE works for me. If you receive spam that is mis-dated, well, it's spam. If a friend sends something that is mis-dated, kindly inform them to change their computer clock. I'd like them to fix that bug, but it's not like it's killing babies or something horrible.

Eh, it's just something that annoys me. "Date sent" is all my webmail client has too, and it's good enough to use for a day or two, but I miss at least one new mail a day due to it not showing up near the top of the list, and I have to use my regular IMAP client to catch it. (I keep so many marked-as-unread mails that the unread counter isn't useful to avoid that problem.) Also, it's terrible for archiving, which I do a lot of.

And I don't consider "tell your friends to [anything]" a viable workaround for a bug. My client should be able to handle their mistakes (or, in some cases, deliberately wrong computer clocks).

the subfolder thing helps for reading it when it comes in, it doesn't help with the searching later on... Have you tried it? How often does that really happen? I'm pretty sure yahoo mail does the same thing because every now and then I get new mail that shows up really far down my inbox. Most of the time that it happens, it's spam. In fact... every time it has happened so far it has been spam.

As for OE, how exactly do you plan to work around the security problems? It's the most insecure client available. some retarded percent of viruses (somewhere around 75% I think) are written to exploit vulnerabilities in it. It's a POS. Seriously, you should check your e-mail by telnetting into the pop server before you even consider OE. It's that bad.

It's a pretty big gripe of mine. Plus, if you look at the date of that bug, it doesn't help matters any. I don't think I want a mail client that leaves major usability enhancements unpatched for over two years...

I use Outlook Express. It's the only mail client I've tried that has a simple interface and is fast. I tried Thunderbird for a while when I switched from IE to Firefox, but Thunderbird was too buggy and took up way too much of my computer resources. It made everything really slow for me.

Okay, good, so I'm not the only semi-intelligent computer user who doesn't hate OE.

Go with mail on the command line you lUsEr.

Why are you using a computer with a shift key? That's not old-school at all! You should be using morse code only! And I'm not even going to ask where that userpic GRAPHIC of yours came from...

Dude! My first job was with Fortran. I remember the old days! And I'm damned glad they're the old days.

My userpic is from a really bad Italian movie from the late 1960s by the name of Diabolik. Gawd, I wonder how much they paid the actor to paint that suit on him. The comic they adapted it from is cool, though. Kinda a Batman with better fashion sense and stronger libido(he's Italian after all).

My dad's a programmer, and he specifically said to me, "Don't use outlook."
He uses Eudora.
I just say, "screw it all, forward all your email to GMAIL!" ;)

PS. If you don't have gmail, and want it, tell me. I really think it's the best :]

Er, he says don't use outlook because it passes on a lot of viruses. And icky stuff like that.

If you're careful enough, though, it's not a problem. But I agree, it's terrible for people who aren't good at securing their computer. (Though not as terrible as it used to be.)

Some things you can't get around. For example, months ago there was an exploit going around that would cause OE to download a virus based on html code that was hidden in the message. All you had to do was view the message in html, and wham! And you wouldn't see anything in the message that would indicate that this code was there, because it didn't code for anything visible. You'd have to view the message source to be able to see it.

I believe that exploit is fixed now, but you never know what the next thing will be. You basically have to view all messages in plain text to be safe in OE. And who knows, maybe tomorrow that won't be true!

I use Opera mail, actually. It took a bit of getting used to, but I really like it now. Prior to that I used Outlook Express, Eudora, and (holy crap) Juno. Heh. I liked Eudora the best out of that group.

Gmail is neat too, but I prefer to use it pop style. It saves all my email on the server too, though, so when I'm out I can check my email while it's still downloading it all here. It's fab. :)

Really? Hmm. Maybe I'll give Opera a try. I mean, I'm a huge fan of the browser already. And the only reason I never tried the mail client is because all the descriptsions of it on their site are like "here's a different mail client! You've never used anything like this!" And that sort of sales pitch doesn't work so well on people who don't like change, you know?

This is pretty neat! But how do I get to the rest of my folders? I have a folder called "sent-mail" and one called "Inbox.Trash" (weird non-standard names, yes, I know), and I can't figure out how to access them.

In Opera? They might be listed under "filters" since that's the equivalent of user-defined folders. In the mail read view, you can click on the folder name at the top, which opens a menu, then scroll down to filters and see if they're there. Otherwise, you can look through ont he sidebar hotlist thing (f4 will bring that up if you don't have it up all the time).

No idea if I'm helping or not, but. :)

IT'S ALL ABOUT USING PINE! OR MUTT! OR YOU COULD EVEN ABANDON ALL SENSIBILITY AND USE EMACS!

I actually use emacs for everything. This post was a lie. Emacs is so useful that I even got rid of my previous kitchen sink!

How many emails do you get that are dated incorrectly, which aren't spam?

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PINE

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