desh | (no subject)

I'm not so sure about Sebelius, because I think if he went with her, he'd risk losing all the Clinton supporters he's trying so hard to win over (e.g., if you were gonna pick a woman, why not OUR woman).

Yeah, you're probably right. Though I hope a lot of the Clinton supporters are also supporters of women in general, and would be happy with the idea of any woman being picked, or are at least indifferent to gender. The "why not our woman" philosophy bothers me almost as much as sexists who want a man over a women because women can't do as good of a job. After all, there's only one person those two groups disagree on...

I don't think those PUMAs make up as much of the ex-Clintonistas as people think. If he chose Sebelius, the people who weren't going to vote for him ANYWAY would get on the airwaves and say they aren't going to vote for him NOW, but really, most of the ex-Clinton supporters would probably fall in line. However, my money is on the dark horse candidate for VP: Batman. Obama-Batman '08!

--Jeff

Every time I get a text message this week, I think it's the veep pick. Send me a Batman-related text, Jeffy!

So low for Sebelius? I'm almost convinced it's going to be her: she brings in the South, she has broad party appeal, and she is a woman (appealing to the Clinton voters) without being Clinton (which would open up an entire can of worms).

Biden brings in the foreign policy experience, which is good, but it would also skew the ticket to far-North, which I'm not convinced about.

I really really hope he's picked Sebelius. She's definitely my top choice and has been for awhile, for all of those reasons. (Have you seen how her favorables in Kansas compare to generic-Democrat favorables there?) But I'm sensing the wind blowing male...

*crosses fingers*

You rule.

I take it you got my text? ;-)

--Jeff

I still think Sebelius is a valid Dark Horse. I'd give her an even 20%.

I like Biden, but it doesn't feel like a super fit to me, and I wouldn't be shocked if he was just a red herring.

I'm still holding out for my 1% chance of Wes Clark.

Also, every time I hear a story about Chet Edwards it makes a certain amount of sense:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/chet-edwards-obamas-vice_n_120635.html

I'm not sure, TBH. I explored PUMA for a while, ultimately stepping back as, while I still think there are serious issues w/in the party as revealed vis-a-vis the election I'm unwilling to shoot myself in the foot to prove a point.

That said, I'd say a good 70% of those that I got to know via Campaigning for Hillary are still determined to either vote for McCain or McKinney and a number of those who have swung to the Obama side are very wary about him.

I hear you on that - I didn't support Clinton based on her gender any more than a lot of the people I know that supported Obama (during the primaries) did so based on his race, but from the rumblings I've heard in that camp, it wouldn't be good.

Bayh? I don't like him really, but those are the rumors I've been hearing.

I agree and agree with your friend, in particular that's exactly how I feel about her v. Clinton. Looking like it's Biden though. I guess that's ok, just a little meh about him whereas Sebelius would be great!

Adding that "a number of those who have swung to the Obama side are very wary about him" is completely unnecessary, IMO. Many people who will be voting for Obama still have reservations about him, but that is true of ANY candidate. Was everyone gung ho about Kerry? No, don't think so. I find it pretty ridiculous how much courting and tiptoeing around there has been in regard to Clinton's supporters. She lost. Sorry, but time to support the candidate who won. It's not even about party unity, that's just how a primary process works. In any primary fight there will be up to 49% of voters in the party who initially wanted someone else. Ok, gotta stop thinking about this before I get too angry.

I apologize for any inadvertent offense. As I noted, I was speaking from the group of people I got to know -- my own mind has been made up, and I'm not here to sway anyone's opinions, nor did I intend to make any statement beyond my own observations. So, again, apologies if my words were more charged than I intended.

Sorry, no need to apologize. It wasn't what you said so much as it set off a rant. I guess my basic point is that a lot of people are still wary about Obama, but it is something that is noted (by many people other than you) about former Clinton supporters who are supporting him now. Ha, maybe I'm just jealous that the Clinton qualms people are getting more attention than the pandering about tax cuts people like me, or the FISA waffling people, or whatever else.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Biden now.

Yeah, at this point, I think probably not Bayh.