desh ([personal profile] desh) wrote2007-12-11 12:50 pm

sexuality

Inspired by today's Gene Weingarten chat and by talking to a few friends of mine, here's a poll:


But first, to define some terminology: "Gal" is what I'm saying since neither "woman" nor "girl" is as age-nonspecific as "guy". Please ignore whatever patronizing connotation you may think "gal" has.

If "gay", "straight", and "bi" aren't specific enough for you, then consider "gay" to be kinsey 5-6, "bi" to be kinsey 2-4, and "straight" to be kinsey 0-1.

There are limits to the number of choices any poll can give (especially on LJ), but not limits to the number of different answers that are actually possible, especially with a charged question like this. Please, wherever possible, choose the closest answer even if it's not perfect. Feel free to elaborate in comments.

Now, then:
[Poll #1104392]
(As always, LJ lets you edit your poll results if you misclicked or something.)

[identity profile] conana.livejournal.com 2007-12-11 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm suddenly tempted to explain how I'm not actually bi, it's just that all the girls I've dated haven't yet decided to transition. Also, "genderfucksexual"

[identity profile] conana.livejournal.com 2007-12-11 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
As I use the terms, 'genderqueer' is a label of a person, and 'genderfuck' is a behavior. This comment just got overlong, and I think I need to write a post of my own. But broadly, I'd include under genderfuck presentation that transgresses gender norms without putting oneself out of one's bio-predicted gender (men in skirts or nailpolish, butch lesbians). And I'd describe 'genderfucksexual' as "attracted to such behavior" rather than "only attracted to such behavior". Which clearly makes it not parallel hetero-, homo-, and bi-sexual.

[identity profile] deled.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
heh. um...your first...i didn't think that she was genderqueer...?

i object. is it genderqueer to transition? i counsider transitioning straight...transexual...and clearly not genderqueer. since it leaves you with a clear (somewhat understandable) answer for sex/gender questions about yourself.

a girl who just told me that we were dating is trans-mtf. it turns out she also has multiple personalities (voices as she puts it)...half are girls and half are boys. i'm slowly finding out which i'm most attracted to...but, as with all sex, it's about the social stuff as i find sex physically boring. it keeps shifting, but there's a definate trend towards the guys--with their breasts and long hair.

[identity profile] conana.livejournal.com 2007-12-12 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
She was a little off, but no, probably not as far off as I am. I am attracted to things other than genderfuck, after all. I was explicitly trying to exclude transsexuals, with my "without putting oneself out" clause.
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genderqueer

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2007-12-13 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
IMO it's genderqueer to transition, because it queers traditional views of gender being 100% aligned with birth. to the mainstream we're all queer; transsexuals, transgendereds, even intersexeds. and we all have issues surrounding gender that cisgendered straight people don't have (gays, lesbians, and bis have gender issues as well, which is the main reason i feel the T belongs in GLBT).

any particular transsexual might not feel 'genderqueer' is the right term for zirself, of course, and i wouldn't argue with anyone's self-identification. some TSs are left with clear answers, some aren't; some wholly subscribe to the binary gender idea of the mainstream, some don't.