desh ([personal profile] desh) wrote2004-11-01 01:18 pm

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Just over 24 hours before I vote, and I'm still undecided about who I'm going to cast my vote for in the election.

Clearly, I'm talking about the Senate race between Specter and Hoeffel in Pennsylvania.

Specter used to be my favorite Republican, for a long time. He never used to blindly vote with his party. He thought for himself on many issues, even highly politicized ones. For example, he voted "not proven" on the Clinton articles of impeachment. So not only was his vote recorded as "not guilty", thus setting him against his party, but he drew attention to himself while doing so. But in the past few years, he's gotten worse and worse at this, and is now almost a down-the-line Republican. So I'd be inclined to vote against him.

Thing is, though, he's still staunchly pro-choice. And if the Republicans retain control of the Senate, which is looking more and more likely, then he'll be the chair of the Judiciary Committee. In other words, he'll be the second most important person in the country when it comes to appointing judges. I like Hoeffel more than Specter in general, but my worst nightmare is Bush winning the White House, the Republicans keeping the Senate, and someone other than Specter running Senate Judiciary.

So what to do?

[identity profile] jdcohen.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
If the way the Republican party is going is any indication, if Specter is re-elected (which looks likely) he won't get chair of any committee. Why do you think that Santorum, a senator with a much shorter record than Specter, is so far higher up the Republican hierarchy? Because Santorum is a hardcore right winger, and not a moderate like Specter. That's another reason why I'm not voting for Specter, by the way - because, to make up the ideological difference with his own party, Specter is being drawn further and further to the right, as opposed to the moderate stance he had before (that kept getting him re-elected with a large portion of the Philadelphia voter body). That, and Hoeffel was my Representative before they redistricted and took him away. Those bastards.

--Jeff

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
wait.. hoeffel is for philly proper, right?

and yeah, forget my question/comment below, i'm going hoeffel. thanks jeff.

[identity profile] jdcohen.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
He was Montgomery county, until some redistricting (bordering on gerrymandering, if you ask me) by the State Congress sent him to North Philadelphia. I'm note exactly sure where, but somewhere along the westernmost end of Roosevelt Blvd, just east of 611.

--Jeff

[identity profile] jdcohen.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, and strangely enough... you appear to be right about Specter being in line for the chair of the Judiciary committee. I wonder, however, if that will mean that he'll vote his conscience or whether it will be given to him on the condition that he vote his party's line. I'm still voting Hoeffel, since I'm not convinced Specter can successfully separate his own pro-choice views from the pro-life Republican party mandate.

--Jeff

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm going hoeffel. how likely is it, do you think, that hoeffel will win?

[identity profile] sleepsong.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I take it you're not pro-choice?

I'm voting Hoeffel because Specter screwed over the Pittsburgh transportation system. OK, so that's not the only reason, but it's an important one.

[identity profile] sleepsong.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahh.

Erg. I'm still torn on that issue, but I'm mad at Specter for destroying our bus system. But Hoeffel hasn't said much about that, has he? They all just focus on Philly. Grr.

This bears serious thought.

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
soooo is hoeffel pro-choice? i thought he was but now i'm getting confused.

[identity profile] sleepsong.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn. Then I think I shall vote Specter.

[identity profile] ladykat81.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
But it doesn't matter what Specter believes "deep down inside," if he lets the Republicans bully him in to voting with them.

And from recent history, it seems like Specter cares more about toeing the party line than voting his conscience. As another poster mentioned, he voted YES on the "Partial-Birth" Abortion Ban. He also voted YES on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act 2004 - which seems to have no practical purpose beyond setting the groundwork for anti-choice activists to further promote their belief that unborn fetuses are people (and therefore abortion is murder).

I'm voting Hoeffel.

(Not that he seems to have much of a chance.)

[identity profile] sleepsong.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmm... I actually didn't just suddenly come to the conclusion to vote for Specter, I read through all of their position statements and issues on a non-partisan website. While yes, there is some silliness involving the abortion issue, but he's in the right place for a number of other issues that I care about, which Hoeffel isn't.

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
well, what are the differences between hoeffel and spector then? besides the fact that spector is a TOOL. he and santorum both supported the "partial birth abortion ban" [i forget what we pro-choicers call it] and i'm pretty sure they both got mad about the UN resolution/vote against the wall in palestine so that makes a real big difference to me.

[identity profile] conana.livejournal.com 2004-11-01 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"intact dialation and extraction"?

Grr. Just read that law. Scary piece of work.

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-02 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
work in a clinic for a couple days and you'll find you're testing the limits of the strength of your stomach. it's an intense field, intense work to do, but it needs to get done and you know it's just, like [livejournal.com profile] ladykat81 said, laying the groundwork for further chipping away at abortion rights and accesibility.

sorry to be so snippy but it truly irritates me when people talk about stuff they don't know about. desh, or anyone else, if you want to watch a procedure and see what it's really like, i can hook you up. but that procedure is described in the words of anti-choice anti-abortion activists, who of course frame it to sound as sick, cruel, painful and murderous as possible.

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-02 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
no, you don't have to watch a procedure before you can have and express an opinion. but i don't have to sit here and pretend not to be irritated by my friends' lack of understanding about my line of work.. especially since it would be really easy to ask anything you didn't understand or about which you wanted to know more or have a more informed opinion.

this probably sounds patronizing but put yourself in my shoes. if i was expressing strong opinions about things with which i didn't have a whole lot of experience, and which didn't affect my life very much, but which affects your life in huge ways [your occupation, the possibility of yourself being in the situation - needing an abortion, in this case] - well, you'd probably wish i'd asked you about your experiences.

i will of course never drag you to the clinic.

[it's interesting to read comments by you in lj because i picture you saying the things you're saying while having the expression on your face that's in your photo. so when you're mad at me or disagreeing with me or whatever, you're still smiling and having a good time.]

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-02 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
that's a good point. you are always smiling.


psyche. [sike.] [whatever.]

Ohmigod who cares the REAL issue here is that

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2004-11-02 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Arlen Specter was at my bris.

Re: Ohmigod who cares the REAL issue here is that

[identity profile] below-the-belt.livejournal.com 2004-11-02 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
so he supports genital mutilation, is that what you're saying? he's OUT!

anyway i already voted for hoeffel.