desh ([personal profile] desh) wrote2005-10-28 04:21 pm

Browser wars

Things that Opera has that Firefox doesn't, and that keep me from switching to FF:

  • Real paste-and-go at the cursor point in the address bar, not "go to whatever URL I have stored in my clipboard, regardless of the current contents of the address bar"

  • A good session saver
    • some modicum of a UI
    • distinct session files that I can locate on my hard drive
    • the ability to save and load multiple sessions, not just one at at a time

  • Good gesture support
    • Overloaded gesture commands (e.g. "down-right means 'close tab', unless there are no tabs open, in which case 'close window'")
    • Gestures that don't cancel themselves if I wait too long before releasing the right mouse button
    • Better movement recognition

  • Easily configurable toolbars

  • Tab configuration
    • Tab focus that goes to the most recently used tab, rather than the next tab to the right, when I close the active tab
    • A tab close box immediately below the primary close box, at the top right of my screen

  • The ability to use less than half a gig of memory to handle the dozens of tabs and multiple windows that I usually have open at once

  • Probably a couple other things that I can't think of off the top of my head

  • The ability to do all of these without hunting through thousands of extensions, fighting to install them, keeping them upgraded, and finding out that it's no longer supported or that a rival extension does what I want better

These are all subtle things, but major usability things for me. If any of you FF nuts can solve them for me, then it will go from my second-favorite browser to my favorite. Promise.

[identity profile] t3chnomag3.livejournal.com 2005-10-30 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
You know, you could be proactive and *gasp* search for the extensions yourself by looking on http://addons.mozilla.org, or http://www.extensionsmirror.nl, or http://www.mozillazine.org/forums, or even http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com rather than LJ everything and hope for the best.

As for what should be in by default, that, of course, is a matter of opinion. I have never used gestures and don't consider it essential for ME, and of course anything that isn't essential for me should not be in the core. At least that's the way many people think. Everybody is going to want something, which means it's going to have to include everything to make everyone happy. But that's just not feasible, so the line must be drawn somewhere. And in all things geeky, the word of all words is "bloat."

And I think the term "FF plugin devs" is a bit misleading. Anyone can create an FF extension. That's why the quality can vary so dramatically. But at the same time, *anyone can create an FF extension.* Which means you can get FF to do ANYTHING you want it to, as long as you know how to code it or someone else interested in the same feature does. And if you find an extension that does almost everything you want but not quite, you can modify it to your liking. It's a blessing and a curse. As such, I choose to look at it from the positive end and be happy for my ability to choose. Others may choose to look at it from the other side. *points*

[identity profile] t3chnomag3.livejournal.com 2005-10-30 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, and I guess that's where we disagree. Fact is there aren't enough Moz devs out there to get out all the features everyone may want, which makes the ability for anyone to modify FF extremely powerful in my opinion. Yes, you have to weed out the bad extensions, and yes, it makes it more difficult for the average user, but if the FF way of doing things can make even one average user less of a sheep that MS has made people into, hey, that's cool too.

The problem I have with giving people every single option under the sun is also business and confusion. I like not having to search through layers upon layers of menus to find the one option I want every single time I want to change it.

As for what you want, I didn't understand your description of what paste-and-go you wanted, but here are some possible extesnsions that might help.

Paste-and-go
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=65

Gestures
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=12
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=29
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=39
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=390