desh ([personal profile] desh) wrote2005-11-02 10:28 pm

OMG!

One of my favorite topics to read and think about these days is religious outreach. I'm not entirely sure why I'm so fascinated by something that really just boils down to marketing strategy, but it's compelling anyway. The idea of trying to bring in unaffiliated people to your way of thinking, or your church, or your social-event-nominally-religiously-affiliated; and doing it in this hyper-secular country (and my part of the country in particular); can seem like the most futile of uphill battles. But we try anyway, and as much as I'm a part of it, I don't understand why.

Of course I'm talking about mostly (though not exclusively) Jewish stuff, since that's where my interests and my leisure time lie. I attended a panel discussion at my synagogue two months ago, featuring the editor of a major national Jewish periodical, about fixing the Conservative movement of Judaism. Everyone kept talking about all the failings as it exists now. How, basically, there's nothing for anyone but traditional Jewish families. Intermarried couples aren't welcomed. Gay people, though not as marginalized as in many other religious denominations, aren't as welcomed as they could be. There's nothing for young people. There's nothing for people who want a vibrant religious experience.

After this discussion, and not for the first time, my synagogue's new Men's Club president discussed the outreach problem with me. Why he came to me I'm not certain, but he wanted to know if I had any ideas about how our synagogue in particular could improve outreach. How we can draw in the people who our doors are always open to, but who don't bother to come. It's an interesting problem, no? I told him I had some articles to send him. Among other things, I had in mind Profile of an Unaffiliated Jew, which I think I've mentioned before here.

Really, I think the root of my interest here is that I'm in the particular demographic group that is hard to reach, and that is the most misunderstood. We 20-somethings, on the whole, are so much more religious than our institutions give us credit for! This has come up time and time again for me, even the rare times that I'm surrounded by a peer group that I didn't meet in a progressive Jewish environment. We young people are religious! We just don't want to be preached to. Or something else; it's different for everyone, I guess. But the groups that are trying to reach out to us just don't understand us well enough to do so, or they're a victim of such inertia that they can't see how we fit into what they already have, and neither can we.

I've been reading this fascinating poll. It's a full-blown research study with a great name: OMG!: How Generation Y is Redefining Faith in the iPod Era [warning: PDF link]. I'm only partway through it so far, but it's painting a picture of a religiously identified youth (people currently aged 19-26 were surveyed a year ago) that has a strong sense of self, has a diverse social network, finds a role for spirituality in life alongside all of life's other questions, and above all, isn't disappearing.

I don't know what the answer is. Hell, I don't know what the question is. But it sure makes for interesting reading.


And now, with the knowledge that not all of you out there are in this age group, or are Jewish, or are even in a place religiously that makes these questions make sense at all, even though I attempted to cover every possibility; and with the knowledge that the results here won't really mean anything at all; I'd like to take a poll.

Note: When I say "belong to a particular structure/movement" below, what I meant to say is "belong to a particular institutional structure within my religion (such as a local church/synagogue/mosque), or am a member of a movement within my religion". (The LiveJournal poll thing won't let me say that much. That's probably a wise decision on its part.)

[Poll #604025]

(And by the way, the nine choices in this poll are the reason I hate the question, "Are you religious?")
trelana: (Zebras don't whinny)

[personal profile] trelana 2005-11-03 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
What about, "I have associated myself with a particular structure/movement, though do not yet 'belong,' as I have not completed the conversion process. This affiliation doesn't entirely sit right with me, though. Either it's not fulfilling my needs, or I just plain don't feel comfortable there.' That said, Conservative Judaism is where I've landed, sort of by default, as many of my leanings are more Modern Orthodox, and some more Reform.
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[personal profile] janinedog 2005-11-03 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
I fluctuate between "Organized religion just doesn't work for me. I'm religious, I suppose, because spirituality does matter to me in some way. But there's no religion I really call my own, and I'm fine with that." and "I've got no clue whatsoever. Picking any of the above choices, even if it accurately reflects me today, would probably be wrong tomorrow." Which is why I picked the answer about fluctuating. :)
trelana: (Zebras don't whinny)

[personal profile] trelana 2005-11-03 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I have a deep distrust of religious structures that seem to throw accountability to the wind, to a point, and just say 'feel free to pick and choose whatever fits you,' which is how I've always felt about Reform (albeit I'll readily admit I'm not as fully-informed as, perhaps, I should be about Reform. It's simply never been an organisation that's spoken to me at all, so I know only the basics about it, and that not exactly from an uncritical standpoint).

At the same time, I do believe that Torah, particularly the oral traditions, have a significant basis in humanity and are not, in their entirety, straight from G-d and thus completely unmalleable. I find Modern Orthodoxy in its absoloute hard-line black-and-white interpretation of Torah just a bit too conservative for me, given my bent toward believing there's more human influence on the oral traditions than they're willing to admit, but I'm very much on the conservative side of the, well, Conservatives at the same time, at least around here.

[identity profile] gutwoman.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
I was torn between the one I picked (member but not religious) and the third one (traditional... diversify interests) - just so you know.
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[personal profile] dorchadas 2005-11-03 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
What if my religion, by definition, isn't organized?

[identity profile] gutwoman.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
well, I picked the one I did because yeah I've only been to Yom Kippur/Rosh Hashana services lately. But once in a while I do kabbalat shabbat with the stupid Hillel at my school, and in the past I've been to services with every denomination from Reform (we went many Shabbats when I was in middle school) to Conservative (4 years of Day School and we belonged to a synagogue for a while, actually I worked in the Hebrew school and got confirmed. oy.) to Ultra Orthodox black hats in Ohio (my cousins) to Modern Orthodox in Israel to Reconstructionist my first couple years at Drew... and I always get *something* out of the service so I'm not sure I feel comfortable calling myself by no means religious.... and I'm always open to new experiences and interested in traditions. k I'm done.
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[personal profile] dorchadas 2005-11-03 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I see what you mean. I can pick an answer now.

[identity profile] sen-ichi-rei.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
I acrually contemplated choosing "I am not religious," but decided against it. Sometimes I feel like I'm a really bad Jew. But even then, I'm always thinking about G-d. Always. Even when I was Reform I always believed that G-d determined the path that my life was going to take. And I always talk to G-d [though He never replies]. So I guess I can't really ever call myself "not-religious."
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[personal profile] janinedog 2005-11-03 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, pretty much. ;)

[identity profile] gutwoman.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
doesn't your icon get tired?

[identity profile] gutwoman.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
oh dear, it's a clear-cut case of religious... hehe

[identity profile] tobeginagain.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm... even with those nine choices, look at all the question people are posing for answering clarification. I'll pose yet another.

I belong to a particular structure, yes, in the sense that I became a member of a community in order to get a small benefit for a small cost (benefit: high holiday tickets; cost: nominal fee and providing for meals/kiddushes when asked/needed).

I'm happy there (choice one), but not exclusively there (choice two), and so often go to many other individual structures (choice three).

[identity profile] dagoski.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You probably should've had an option for mysticism. I can't abide by organized religion, but I do feel a link with the eternal and spend a lot of time pondering that and the implications of an ever after. The very notion that there is something beyond this existence and the worry that what you do in this existence affects the next one kind of necessitates morals and next thing you know, you've got the hazy outlines of a dogma. I tend to alternate between a sort of Pythagorean mysticism and the ritualized satire of The Churhc of the Sub Genius.

[identity profile] tobeginagain.livejournal.com 2005-11-03 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed. I wholeheartedly agree with you here and the point you're making. My problem with choosing is also because the synagogue I go to regularly (although not exclusively) is itself a structure of its own and could not be easily identified within any of the existing movements.
dorchadas: (Drop Bear)

[personal profile] dorchadas 2005-11-03 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope. His constant diet of dream-monsters keep him ready to run a marathon at all times.

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
Bad wording

"I still consider myself a member of my religion, but I'm not "religious" by any stretch of the imagination."

replace "religious" with "observant"

am terribly offended. die.

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Hi, I don't know (that I know) you, but I am an asshole who frequents Desh's LJ and badgers his guests. Here goes:

I have a deep distrust of religious structures that seem to throw accountability to the wind, to a point, and just say 'feel free to pick and choose whatever fits you,'

I would imagine that once you say "do whatever feel like" you cease to become a structure, in that whole "structured" sense of the word. I was always under the impression that that was the reconstructionist movement, anyhow.

And I totally agree with your interpretation of the oral tradition. As far as I can tell (or wish to have been the case), up until the point that Rabbi Yehudah codified it, the oral tradition was the living, breathing, organic arm of Jewish observance, custom and law, and could be refined each and every generation to fit the needs and circumstance of that generation. Which, frankly, is friggin elegant. Me wantee (it back)

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
see dude, this is what I was talking about: religious, or rather spiritual, but not "observant." And I would like to call myself a pony.

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
why don't you pay (What the fuck, this is like the 5th comment I've made on this frigging thing. I had better come back tomorrow to see if anyone wants to talk to me... Guess I just like talking about religion...)

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
Aho! Lookyhere Desh, a THIRD person who fits my spiritual vs observant thingie! Wow, I am spoiling for a fight. I need to go, oh I dont know WRITE MY THESIS NOW.

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
If it's not too personal of a question, might I ask if there is a movement you feel more strongly associated--or at least comfortable associating with--with?

[identity profile] bumonyou.livejournal.com 2005-11-04 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
ok, so this is just a matter of semantics: what I usually call spiritual you are here referring to as religious. Fair enough. I believe in the sanctity of man and the divinity of community.

and in this post being super-convoluted with posting and commenting etc. Whew! hard for me to read!

[identity profile] peneli.livejournal.com 2005-11-05 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
hey desh... curious about your opinion on this: http://www.livejournal.com/users/patrissimo/271431.html

[identity profile] intangiblehugs.livejournal.com 2005-11-06 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
so just because i have a habit of not fitting in the boxes, no matter how big or many they are, i would have to put my vote on the write-in 10th option:

I'm religious, I belong to more than one movement, but don't really feel comfortable in any of them, but have managed to find structures outside the denominational paradigm that suite my needs.

except that my chayah (the 4th level of the soul, the one that relates to community - from jitw friday night get-to-know-you thing as facilitated by shulamit and eli d.) is majorly in flux - i've been wondering exactly what my place is in most jewish situations these days... and that's not even mentioning the academic existential crisis that was brough about by registering for spring classes last week!

[identity profile] intangiblehugs.livejournal.com 2005-11-06 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
oh and question: do you think with the rise of evangelical christianity we can still call the US a "hyper-secular country"?